In this episode of the Bean to Barstool beer and chocolate podcast, New Zealand beer and chocolate journalist Luke Owen Smith interviews Phoebe Preuss of Living KoKo. They talk about Living KoKo’s relationship with Samoan cacao farmers and cacao supplier Savai’i Koko. They also discuss Penina, Living KoKo’s non-alcoholic chocolate beer brewed in collaboration with Brewicolo and made with cacao and hopped with Citra, Amarillo and Ekuanot hops.

David Nilsen interviewed Luke back in Episode 37 to talk about beer and chocolate in New Zealand, and he’s also shown up on the last couple year end episodes to share his favorite beers and chocolates of 2022 and 2023. In the latter, one of his favorite beers of last year was Penina.

You can learn more about Luke Owen Smith here.

You can learn more about Living KoKo here.

Bean to Barstool is a podcast that looks at the intersections between craft beer and craft chocolate, using them as lenses for exploring the world of flavor. It is hosted by Advanced Cicerone® David Nilsen. Be sure to check out all the episodes here.

Photo of Living KoKo by Gracie Sietu of Fiafia Art.

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